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    Carminat Tomtom - FAQ

    Renault Carminat TomTom

    5,8" LCD Screen (480 x 272 pixels, 64.000 colors)
    CPU: 400 MHz
    Memory: 64 MB
    Internal flash drive for navcore.
    External 512 Mb or 2 GB SD card for maps and extra files.
    GPS SiRF Star III high sensitibity
    Bluetooth remote control or Joystick integrated
    Display integrated in carīs dashboard
    Traffic Info: RDS / TMC

    Original Maps and Navcore in Original SD:
    10/12/2009: Navcore v8.841.453398 Map v840.2568
    12/11/2009: Navcore v8.840.380186 Map v840.2568
    23/06/2009: Navcore v7.842.316501 Map v725.1882
    ??/??/2009: Navcore v7.841.?????? Map v725.1882

    Where can I find Carminat TomTom instructions?

    What is the last version TomTom HOME (TTH) available?

    Tomtom HOME version:

    Where can I find it?
    There is a version at original SD.
    If you rather like a more updated version you cand download it from:
    Windows version - MacOS version - Linux version - Not available. WIME does NOT detect properly SD card. Works fine with VirtualBox or similar emulating windows.

    Where is the navcore located?
    Is it at external SD card or at flash drive of carminat?

    The navcore itself is located at the flash drive.
    The SD has only the maps and extra files (radars, sounds, icons,...)

    Where can I download Original Navcore?
    Navcore: 7.842.316501 Navcore: 8.840.380186 Navcore: 8.841.45339 What Navcore and Map version do I have?
    What Device ID do I have?

    At Carminat:
    Hold down INFO/Route key for 3 seconds. It will show "Route Details Screen"
    Click right at joystick. It will show "Device Details Screen"
    At TomTomHome:
    Insert SD card to PC.
    Open TomTomHome, click menu "Help->System Info"
    It will show the Device Info

    What maps version will work on Carminat Tomtom?

    Actual Maps version is 850. Follow navcore 8.84x column to find compatible maps.
    Compatibility chart:

    What extra services work at carminat navcore (v8.84x)?

    ALG - Works fine
    IQ - Works fine
    CSPEECH - Doesnīt work. Map with cspeech will work at carminat thou.
    ASR - Doesnīt work.
    HNR - Doesnīt work.
    Example: Carminat Maps compatibility 850 version
    1.- 850.2817 has IQ and ALG. (size 247 Mb) works fine
    2.- 850.2781 has IQ andALG, also CSPEECH y ASR. (size 276,5 Mb) works fine except for CSPEECH y ASR (waste of space)
    3.- 850.2782 does not have IQ or ALG, but do have CSPEECH and ASR. (size 259 Mb) works fine but no extra service (last resource if needed)
    4.- 850.2820 does NOT have extra services. (size 217 Mb) works fine (good choice y limited SD size available)
    5.- 850.2784 has IQ and ALG but is NOT carminat compatible with navcore 8.84x (DO NOT USE / WILL NOT WORK)
    So to choose map before downloading I will do it in this order.
    1.- IDEAL. Carminat version.
    2.- If canīt find 1. Works everything but loose some SD space with extra info we donīt need.
    3.- Use only if canīt find 1 o 2. Has EXTRAS we canīt use.
    4.- use only at last. NO EXTRAS at all.

    How to update navcore to a more updated version?
    Insert SD card to PC and open TomtomHome. I will warn you that there is a new "Tomtom App for Carminat Tomtom".
    Enable it to Install it.

    Once itīs downloaded take SD card to the Carminat Device and follow steps to update internal flash drive.
    Itīs HIGHLY RECOMENDED that during this operation the car SHOULD be started in order to prevent carīs power saving mode activation that might cause damage to the device.

    What is the "Most Updated Map Available guaranty?
    In order to be sure that final customer has latest maps installed on a new Carminat (brand new car must be), Tomtom allows you to download latest map after 60 days from first SD card being inserted on Carminat.

    What happens if I check for new maps, but I donīt download it? Some days later there is available a new map version. Wich one do I get?
    You will get the NOT SO LATEST version. You will receive the version available ON FIRST check. So be sure to update the very last days of 60 days available.

    How to execute the "Latest Map guarranty"?
    1.- Start TomtomHome (TTH). Wait until device is detected. Right down corner will show "Carminat TomTom"
    2.- Go to Menu Tools and click "Latest map guarantee".
    Click "Get it now".
    Click "Get it now".
    It will show now the map available to download. Click "More info" to check version and size.

    How do I do a back up of original SD?

    Backup of original SD WILL NOT WORK unless you use "Latest Map guarranty". SO right after you execute "Latest Map guarranty".
    Using TomtomHOme:
    1.- "Create/Restore a backup copy"->"Create backup copy"
    it will create a copy of SD files into "%USERPROFILE%\My Documents\TomTom\Backup\Carminat TomTom\Backup01\Internal Memory"
    2.- Once Itīs done, insert a blank SD card on PC(FAT formated).
    3.- Create/Restore a backup copy"->"Restore backup copy"
    Using PC OS
    1.- Create a folder named "Carminat Tomtom Backup"
    2.- Copy all files (included hidden) from original SD Card to new pc folder "Carminat Tomtom Backup".
    3.- Insert a blank SD card on PC(FAT formated) and copy files from "Carminat Tomtom Backup" to SD root folder.

    Where can I find ttgo.bif file?
    There is a file at "loopdir\ext3_loopback" (older version) or "loopdir\loopback.ex3" (new version).
    That files are a Loopback Device file system image with contais this files
    |-- [ 26] CurrentMap.dat
    |-- [4.0K] Iberia
    | |-- [ 632] DeletedPoi.local
    | |-- [3.5K] MapSettings.cfg
    | |-- [ 48] MapUserPatch.dat
    | `-- [ 77]
    |-- [4.0K] LoquendoTTS
    | |-- [4.0K] bin
    | `-- [4.0K] lib
    |-- [ 68] UserPatch.dat
    |-- [4.0K] art
    | `-- [4.0K] cars
    | `-- [ 97K] thumbs.dat
    |-- [4.0K] itn
    | `-- [ 0] temporary.iti
    |-- [ 16K] lost+found
    |-- [4.0K] photos
    | `-- [ 41K] thumbs.dat
    |-- [4.0K] statdata
    | `-- [ 1] disallowtrip.dat
    | `-- [1.6K] ttgo.bif
    Note that mine has Iberia Map folder. Your should have a folder with you map name folder instead

    Can I read/write files from/to inside ext3_loopback/loopback.ex3?
    Windows: Read Only.
    Donwload Explore2FS from Install it.
    Open it
    Go to "File->Open Image file..." and choose "SD->loopdir->ext3_loopback" or "SD->loopdir->loopback.ex3"
    Click over harddrive image that shows on left frame.
    Files will be shown on right frame.
    Right-click over "ttgo.bif" and choose "Export File" and save it to your Hard Drive.

    Windows: Read/Write.
    Stuff needed:
    ext2/ext3 support for windows: Ext2IFS: App to mount ext2/ext3 image: Filedisk: 1.- Install Ext2IFS, as follows:

    2.- Reboot
    3.- Install Filedisk, to do so:
    Unzip on hardisk (c:\filedisk-17)
    Copy file C:\filedisk-17\sys\obj\fre\i386\filedisk.sys toc:\windows\system32\drivers
    Add reg file c:\filedisk-17\filedisk.reg to windows registry
    4.- Reboot
    5.- Copy loopdir folder to hard disk root (c:\loopdir)
    6.- Launch cmd.exe
    7.- Change directory to filedisk (cd\filedisk-17)
    8.- Mount loopback file: filedisk /mount 0 c:\loopdir\ext3_loopback g:
    This will mount it at drive G: the filesystem ext3_loopback

    9.- You can check it out at My PC, at Drive G: properties

    10.- To umount the filesystem filedisk /umount g:

    All this gives us access in windows to manipulate ttgo.bif, copy favorites and config to new maps, etc...

    Linux: Read/write
    1.- Copy loopdir folder to hard disk (example to /loopdir)
    2.- Create a folder in order to mount there the loopback device file system (example to /vfs)
    mkdir /vfs
    3.- Mount file system at /vfs.
    mount -w /loopdir/ext3_loopback /vfs -t ext3 -o loop
    Copy ttgo.bif where ever you want (example to root folder).
    cp ttgo.bif /
    4.- umount the unit
    umount /vfs

    How to build a SD from scratch?
    0.- Get you DEVICE ID (Hold down INFO + Joystick right click)

    1.- Get a blank SD card
    2.- Download Navcore: 8.841.45339 3.- Extract donwloaded .cab file. Go to "DS1/Install" and extract both .zip files to SD root.

    4.- Path PNDnavigator from SD card using ttsystem/PNDnavigatior patcher. Available in TOOLS section.
    5.- Rename ~tsystem to ttsystem.
    (Itīs very important that you rename ~tsystem AFTER patching so you donīt get trouble)

    6.- Create a folder with desire map name (example "Iberia.850.2817")

    7.- Download map from MAP section (example "Iberia 850.2817")
    8.- Extract file inside map folder (example "Iberia 850.2817")

    9.- Edit .pna file (excample "Iberia.pna") and change map name at first line ("ID=Iberia.pna" rename to "ID=Iberia.850.2817.pna")

    10.- Activate map using activation TOOLS available TOOL Section.

    11.- Put new SD into Carminat device.
    Steps to change SD properly at carminat so you donīt get map error:
    a.- Turn off radio/tomtom.
    b.- Take out Original SD card.
    c.- Put in new SD card.
    d.- Turn on radio/tomtom.
    PS: It you turn radio on without new SD card inseted, carminat will boot from internal flash rather that patched SD card, so you will get map error.
    At this point there will be create a new "loopdir" folder on new SD card.
    At this point you have no voices inserted. You must add voices/loquendo from Tomtom HOME.
    14.- Take off SD card from carminat and go to PC
    15.- Open "Tomtom HOME"
    16.- Click "Add traffic, Voices, Speedcams, etc..."

    17.- Click "Voices"

    18.- Add "Computer Voices" and "Recorded Voices" as you wish.

    Is It there a chance to use other apps with carminat(example "Tomplayer")?
    NOT so far. There is a pretty alpha stand alone version of Tomplayer

    Can i turn off carminat display?
    Yes, hold down LIGHT/DARK and display will stand-by.
    Push LIGHT/DARK again to wake up.
    Instruction will still sound while display is in stand-by.

    What happend when I turn off radio?

    Carminat turns off too. Display will show Time and Temperature

    Can I turn off voices?
    Yes, hold down REPEAT/MUTE. Poi alerts still will sound(speed cams, etc...)
    Push REPEAT/MUTE to enable voices.

    Is it where a stupid way to loose my SD card?
    YES, there is a huge gap in front of carminat display where SD card tend to go naturally

    Can I copy favorites and config from older map to new one?

    YES. Presuming you have properly activated new map, and enabled it at carminat.
    Take SD card to PC.
    Mount read/write loopdir/ext3_loopback file (shown before in this FAQ)
    Copy "MapSettings.cfg" file from older map folder to new map folder (inside loopdir mounted drive)

    MapShare is not working. How do I fix it?
    Itīs related to loopdir corruption
    1.- Delete loodir folder
    2.- Copy original loopdir folder
    3.- Put SD into carminat and change setting to reconfig you carminat (choose voice, map, etc...)
    4.- Go back to PC. Open Tomtom HOME and MapShare should be working.

    How can I put new POIīs into maps?

    Donwload .ov2 (poi file), .bmp (icon file for poi) .ogg/.mp3 (sound file for poi)
    All the files should have exact same name (example "Gas_Station.ov2", "Gas_Station.bmp" and "Gas_Station.mp3")
    Copy them inside map folder
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    Re: Carminat Tomtom - FAQ -

    I've tryed to do all of this at my Carminat...
    Yes, it works, but... it was impossible to do Luquendo computorized voices working...
    I've tryed lots of times... and didn't work, even installing that voices using TomtomHOME.
    The maps are OK, recorded voices are OK, but luquendo computorized voices aren't.
    Any ideias?

    Tedioboy (Portugal)
    PS: Sorry my english :P

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    Re: Carminat Tomtom - FAQ -

    you have to delete the voices from tomtomhome repository also, and download them again with tomtomhome....I works that way. If it happens that the loquendo voice is already in the tomtomhome repository on the PC they will not work untill you delete them and download them again

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    Re: Carminat Tomtom - FAQ -

    Great job! Thank you very much for all the info.

    Just can't write the loopback.ex3 file in order to add Mapsetings.cfg with my personal favourites.

    Have executed the procedure and I can mount the G: disk in windows successfully. However always have the message that the drive is write protected and does not allow me to replace the Mapsetings.cfg...

    Any help?

    Thanks in advance

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    Re: Carminat Tomtom - FAQ -

    Is there any way to make SE navcore fot Carminat? Original navcore does not have altitude and the rear camera is to dark to see.

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    Re: Carminat Tomtom - FAQ -

    not at this time, no one has developed it, and it would be tricky because the whole system is conected with the radio, and car dashboard itself...

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    Re: Carminat Tomtom - FAQ -

    my MapShare is not working and i dont have a original SD map, so i can't copy the original loopdir folder.

    can you help me?
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    Re: Carminat Tomtom - FAQ -

    use a empty sd, insert it into carminat, it will tell you that th SD is ready to use at will have created a new loopdir folder in that SD, replace loopdir at you working SD, go back to the car, plug the SD try then the mapshare

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    Re: Carminat Tomtom - FAQ -

    Quote Originally Posted by apak View Post
    use a empty sd, insert it into carminat, it will tell you that th SD is ready to use at will have created a new loopdir folder in that SD, replace loopdir at you working SD, go back to the car, plug the SD try then the mapshare
    I tried this but it doesn't work...

    TomTom Home:
    TomTom Map Share is not supported either for your device or for the map you are using.

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    Re: Carminat Tomtom - FAQ -


    Just got my Renault Scenic III today with Carminat TomTom. The navcore version is 8.842.542199! Can I find this version somewhere to use on a fresh SD or should I go with 8.841.45339?

    Last edited by Zapp; 1st December 2010 at 20:49.

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